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Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 4:07 am
by caramon81
icemanrj wrote:
more then Archers

and crit 1k plus cp potion
look the atk speed

buffs/equipment?
3.9k patk. thats not sub skills doing that. more like huge amount of buffs and high enchant rate.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 7:32 am
by Copyleft
*BREAKING NEWS*
L2 is imbalanced
effects multiply if you combine it with x1000 rates, 2h buffs, and +20 endgame gear
Anyways, I agree tanks are OP (pala/sk 83 skill the most) even with or without buffs or ++ gear. NCZ0ft has a strange way of balancing things, but it works quite well in korea (exception: doombringer).
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:13 am
by sara
tan wrote:in retail dagger could hit tanker for 3k from back

in l2j not :/
even on low rates tankers are impossible to kill....
Daggers are bugged in l2j. sometimes they make more damage with regular meele attacks than from skills.

Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed Apr 28, 2010 1:00 pm
by icemanrj
caramon81 wrote:icemanrj wrote:
more then Archers

and crit 1k plus cp potion
look the atk speed

buffs/equipment?
3.9k patk. thats not sub skills doing that. more like huge amount of buffs and high enchant rate.
-------------------------------------sample with no buff ------------------------------
mage vs tanker who won for in my server Tanker
archer vs tanker who won for you? in my server tanker
glad vs tanker tanker who won for you ?? in my server tanker
can you tell me how many butt slot do you have and can u take a print of you npc buff i need fixed this problem
man trust me come to my server i setup u full level then u tell me what it's wrong please
u have server?
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 4:57 am
by promo
In l2j archer very low classe, because him skills don't working good, they eaven can't kill magic classe. For really him skill should have a critical attack and daggers too, because aw classe dagger in my server whit full buffs go pvp with paladin A grade, and hi dagger lose, paladin don't any skill to heal him or icon.... that is unbalanced... if you whant to balance do skill working good for all classes, not only for tanks.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 6:07 am
by caramon81
its not l2j's or any other packs job to balance the classes on your servers. it here to get things working and fix working things to retail.
@ice, i dont want to join your server. but your not giving any info. o just sample. like really dude. what kind of buffs/gear that SK have. whats your server setting/rates. cause it looks like more then 24 buffs/12 dances and +3 safe enchant. 3.9k patk on a sk if he's not using sos then he's got enchant on sword around +20 or you have custom items that increase stats.
l2 isn't designed to run ton of buffs and high enchants. if you want to run a server like this, then you have to balance the classes yourself.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Thu Apr 29, 2010 7:28 am
by kocinski
I'm bored of this kind of crying posts...
Which're the max. enchant/buffs quantity/buffs duration of your Server?
When you can understand that L2j is as balanced as Lineage II with retail configuration? If you change this settings, the game becomes LOT of unbalanced.
Also NCZ0ft make changes and always some kind of classes are benefited in every Chronicle/Throne.
My Server is enough balanced with retail config, at least like Lineage II Epilogue retail and knowing that you're playing on Java EMULATION.
Thanks.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 4:17 am
by icemanrj
man guys don't understando tank with no buff still power
+0 anyway get a full buffer still POWER
+0 tanker kill mage + 20
and kocinski shut up i'm no here to crying on my topic
i'm here to asking trying to find what is the problem mane
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Tue May 04, 2010 7:18 am
by ZaKaX
Why don't you just nerf their attack speed and P.Atk, as well as critical damages?

That's something I'd love to do... but I don't dare to.
@caramon81: ;G
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:11 am
by babyjason
nice
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 8:35 pm
by Diego Vargas
Copyleft wrote:*BREAKING NEWS*
L2 is imbalanced
effects multiply if you combine it with x1000 rates, 2h buffs, and +20 endgame gear.
QFT, this is why 9 out of 10 of pservers out there are complete shit.
Gear and buff disparity between players are part of the "balance" of L2.
Servers where you get custom godmode gear, +30 vesper or better, 2h song/dance/cov/etc are playing some other game .. not Lineage 2 as it was intended.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Wed May 05, 2010 11:20 pm
by ThePhoenixBird
Server Players please go to QQ in your own server forum, this is a DEVELOPERS forum, L2j is as balanced as the retail server is, if you havent played in the retail server then you CANT say that L2j is unbalanced or tankers are overpowered, and NO, NO, NO, even if you played in old C3 leaked servers it doesnt matter, stuff has changed a lot since that time.
Server Admins, if you experience huge unbalances in your server, please note that L2j is not meant to be played with x1000 rates and custom buff scenarios, when you do this you do it on YOUR OWN RISK, since you are already modifing your players, dances are not mean to last 2H, normally you never fight a tank with FULL BUFF (20+) even in great scale battles in the sieges on official servers, so the most common scenario is a SELF BUFF tank, and just to make it clear: TANKS have ARROW and DAGGER resists they are made to RESIST ROGUES, also DD can have a really tought time with TANKS since its a battle of P.Atk vs P.Def
Overenchanted jewelry is probably the cause of why your tanks dont die in front of your nukers due the increased M.Def plus if you have some M.Def increasing buffs from a NPCBuffer.
If you run a high rate server we should recommend you to check out your server features, mostly the NPCBuffer since this is one of the many causes of why high rate servers are unbalanced, also, remember that HIGH END SKILLS are meant to be really expensive and hard to get, so in a fight between HIGH END players shit can happen if all of them have them. You may want to manually modify the Lvl of the Buff that your NPCBuffer provides to reduce it to half, that would be more friendly to the PVP enviorement, also it would give more importance to the actual REAL BUFFERS that would provide the high lvl version of those high end buffs, also remove some buffs like the CRITICAL increase ones, that would be fair for the rest of the players.
+Noob Factor in your fights.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Thu May 06, 2010 12:05 am
by Tan
ThePhoenix is right... but i can suggest sometimg for "highrateserversadmins" if you really want to run a PvP Server
Dont Increases The Buff Slot
Make Enchants Scrolls Hard to obtain same as Forgotten Scrolls
Make Enchanr Rate Lower then in Retail , Max Enchant +16
Make gaint codex/gaint codex mastery hard to obtain
decrease skill reuse time
Block Mana Potion druing pvp
Dont Use any Kind of Custom shits as Tattoo
Dont Put in NPC Buffs nor increases time of skills as : Blessing,gift of Seraphim , blessing,gif of queen, Chat of Protection, Buffs from level 83
It will make a little balance but still not as Low rate servers has.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 5:05 am
by MELERIX
and don't use the custom mana potions, and don't change the reuse time of elixirs.
Re: ANY ONE know how to fixed the DAMN TANKERS
Posted: Fri May 07, 2010 1:57 pm
by Suspended
On my old pvp server i've nerfed tanks, instead of qqing here i just added some mul into vanguards
