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Re: [Question] CPU

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Box: Cooler Master HAF 932
Ram: Corsair CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB DDR3 1333
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.40 GHz Black Edition
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T BOX Optional 30 euro difference ? is that much more better than the quad core?
HDD: Seagate BARRACUDA 500GB 7200 16MB
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200 64MB(SATA3) is that raid0 ?
MOTHERBOARD: Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3
MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H
SUPPLY: Cooler Master eXtreme Power Plus 500W
SUPPLY: Corsair VX550W

~600 euro, so that's it?

btw ThePhoenixBird about "Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H" the video memory is taken from the ram memory ? and whats the max memory? do you have any idea :? (512??)

i may use my old box so i can get better parts for example six instead quad core..i think thats gonna be better

also what do you think about the ssd memories?? CSSD-V32GB2-BRKT 32 GB SATA 2 for example instead a HDD?
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Re: [Question] CPU

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SSD reads very fast, but writes aren't that much better afaik.
15k raptor would still be better, even more so in raid0 (but remember that if one of the HDDs fails, all data is fucked permanently. I'd go for raid0+1 though it is expensive)
What do you care about the max video memory if you'll only need 32-64 mb max? It's a server, it only needs the basic graphics functions.
Also, 6 core > 4 core, you could have figured this out by yourself.
see here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
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Re: [Question] CPU

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jurchiks wrote:SSD reads very fast, but writes aren't that much better afaik.
15k raptor would still be better, even more so in raid0
What do you care about the max video memory if you'll only need 32-64 mb max? It's a server, it only needs the basic graphics functions.
Also, 6 core > 4 core, you could have figured this out by yourself.
see here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
can you give me an example for raid0 hdd?
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jurchiks wrote:Also, 6 core > 4 core, you could have figured this out by yourself.
see here: http://www.cpubenchmark.net/common_cpus.html
This list is more like calculated for desktop performances. My old server had AMD processor, but I then realized that AMD has no SMT technology, and Intel i7 and Xeon are more suitable for servers, as they can process more data simultaneously with the high L2 and L3 caches (reducing a lot of memory reads), and can divide 1 core to process 2 threads. However, I heard that AMD tended to make 12 core CPU's (Opteron series) to compete Intel's SMT technology.
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that list was just to compare phenom II x4 and x6...
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brutus wrote:btw ThePhoenixBird about "Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H" the video memory is taken from the ram memory ? and whats the max memory? do you have any idea :? (512??)
Read more detail about that motherboard here:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a ... 90GPA-UD3H
This is definitely an ideal HTPC motherboard. You can get everything you need that's related to High-definition video/audio playback, energy savings and even lightweight level 3D gaming thanks to AMD's fabulous integrated 890GX + SB850 chipset and Realtek's ALC892 HD audio chip.

Supporting the latest AMD AM3 CPUs, SATA III hard drives and dual channel DDR3 RAM, the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H guarantees you the balance between performance and cost from what you can get from the market. The integrated ATI Radeon HD 4290 GPU provides adequate 3D and video playback capability, digital interfaces (DVI/HDMI) and analog interfaces (D-sub). If that is not enough for you, simply update your display subsystem with ATI Hybrid CrossFireX technology. Advanced Blu-ray audio playback through analog output and digital output can be easily implemented without buying any additional audio devices.

Armed with Gigabyte's exclusive technologies such as Ultra Durable 3 classic and DualBIOS, this motherboard can be the core part of from an affordable PC to High End System.


140W AMD AM3 PROCESSOR SUPPORT
Based on the AMD 890G and SB850 chipset, the Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD motherboard supports AMD’s Phenom II processors, as well as Athlon II and Sempron 100 series processors up to 140W in AM3 socket, providing unprecedented computing power to match the performance levels you are looking for.

ATI HYBRID GRAPHICS TECHNOLOGY SUPPORT
Based on ATI CrossFireX multi-GPU technology, ATI Hybrid Graphics allows you to combine the performance of the HD4200 integrated GPU with an applicable ATI Radeon graphics card to bring enhanced gaming performance, productivity and power efficiency.

GIGABYTE 333 ONBOARD ACCELERATION
The Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H delivers all the killer next generation features that gaming enthusiasts and power users have been waiting for by incorporating Gigabyte's 333 Onboard Acceleration features with support for USB 3.0, Serial-ATA Revision 3.0 (6Gbps) and a 3x USB Power Boost.

SIDEPORT MEMORY
The Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H features 128MB Side-Port memory on board to accelerate 3D Gaming performance easily.

ULTRA DURABLE 3 CLASSIC TECHNOLOGY
The Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H features revolutionary Ultra Durable 3 classic technology with a 2oz copper PCB design to help reduce system temperature and dramatically enhance performance.

GIGABYTE PATENTED DUALBIOS
Gigabyte patented DualBIOS technology protects the BIOS from virus attacks. With its innovative backup BIOS design, this platform provides twice the security thus assuring the PC’s stability.
Learn more about the GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H

Model Brand: GIGABYTE
Model: GA-890GPA-UD3H
Supported CPU
CPU Socket Type: AM3
CPU Type: Phenom II / Athlon II / Sempron 100 Series
FSB: 2600MHz Hyper Transport (5200 MT/s)
Chipsets
North Bridge: AMD 890GX
South Bridge: AMD SB850
Memory
Number of Memory Slots: 4×240pin
Memory Standard: DDR3 1866 (OC)/1333/ 1066
Maximum Memory Supported: 16GB
Channel Supported: Dual Channel
Expansion Slots
PCI Express 2.0 x16
2 (x16 or x8, x8)
PCI Express x1
3
PCI Slots
2
Storage Devices
PATA
1 x ATA133 2 Dev. Max
SATA 3Gb/s
2
SATA 6Gb/s
6 x SATA 6Gb/s
SATA RAID
SATA 3Gb/s: RAID 0, RAID 1, and JBOD
SATA 6Gb/s: RAID 0, RAID 1, RAID 5, RAID 10, and JBOD
Onboard Video
Onboard Video Chipset: ATI Radeon HD 4290
Onboard Audio: Audio Chipset Realtek ALC892
Audio Channels: 8 Channels
Onboard LAN
LAN Chipset: Realtek 8111D
Max LAN Speed: 10/100/1000Mbps
Rear Panel Ports
PS/2
1
Video Ports
D-Sub + DVI
HDMI
1 x HDMI
USB 1.1/2.0
4 x USB 2.0
USB 3.0
2 x USB 3.0
IEEE 1394
1 x IEEE 1394a
S/PDIF Out
1 x Optical
Audio Ports
6 Ports
Onboard USB
Onboard USB
8 x USB 2.0
Onboard 1394
Onboard 1394
2 x 1394a
Physical Spec
Form Factor
ATX
Dimensions
12.0" x 9.6"
Power Pin
24 Pin
Features
Features
Supports new generation of AMD Phenom II X6 processors
AMD SB850 provides native SATA3 storage interface with superfast 6Gbps link speed
Built-in a 128MB DDR3 Sideport Memory for accelerating graphics performance
Integrated ATI Radeon HD 4290 graphics (DirectX10.1)
2 PCI-E 2.0 x16 interface with ATI CrossFireX/ Hybrid CrossFireX technology support
Manufacturer Warranty
Parts
3 years limited
Labor
3 years limited
Its a REALLY BADASS motherboard, also of course it takes a few MB from the main memory for the onboard, but as they said before, 64/128MB of memory isnt that much when you have 6GB+ of memory on your computer (MAX 16GB with single 4GB x4 Modules), you just need enought to boot your OS (using a Linux version would require less video memory)

If you really have a tight budget i would suggest you to forget about SSD Disks, focus on a good processor, good motherboard and good memory, also Disk performance is important that is why i said about RAID0 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID

To get a RAID0 Disk configuration you will need at least TWO DISKS (2 x WD Caviar Black 500GB) and use the BIOS setting in the motherboard to enable RAID and configure it to RAID0. Using RAID0 will imrprove the speed and performance of your disk reading/writting speeds A LOT, about the risks of using RAID0 its about the same of not using it, if you have a single hard drive, and it gets fucked up, you lose everything. So using 2 drives and losing everything is the same risk, only teh amount of drives increases, but that doesnt mean that you will lose your 2 drives, if 1 drive fail you will lose the data on BOTH drives, but you will lose only 1 physical drive, the other one can be reformatted and used with another new drive to restore the RAID0
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Re: [Question] CPU

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now now man...
ThePhoenixBird wrote:about the risks of using RAID0 its about the same of not using it
That is bullshit, there's much higher chance for a raid0 to fail than just 1 normal HDD.
wikipedia wrote:That is, reliability is roughly inversely proportional to the number of members – so a set of two disks is roughly half as reliable as a single disk.
Either way you lose 1 HDD, so there is no difference in that. You can't restore a raid0 from 1 hdd, you can only make a new raid using that hdd.

Should have checked out those 2 links I posted earlier.
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Box: Cooler Master HAF 932
Ram: Corsair CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB DDR3 1333
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.40 GHz Black Edition
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T BOX
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200 64MB(SATA3)
MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H
SUPPLY: Corsair VX550W
SUPPLY: Corsair TX650W

so can i hold 300+ ppl with this configuration?
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brutus wrote:Box: Cooler Master HAF 932
Ram: Corsair CMX4GX3M1A1333C9 4GB DDR3 1333
CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.40 GHz Black Edition
CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1055T BOX
HDD: Western Digital Caviar Black 640GB 7200 64MB(SATA3)
MOTHERBOARD: Gigabyte GA-890GPA-UD3H
SUPPLY: Corsair VX550W
SUPPLY: Corsair TX650W

so can i hold 300+ ppl with this configuration?
Ofc,and with more ram you can increase that number. :D
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I would use a less expensive box and add a better cpu cooler
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Re: [Question] CPU

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rofl...
you know, cpu cooler does not increase performance.
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performance isn't the only issue when buying a pc\server.
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stock cooler is good enough if you have good case ventilation.
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jurchiks wrote:stock cooler is good enough if you have good case ventilation.
that box got 3x 240mm coolers and 1x 120mm cooler behind
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