nbd wrote:Devs are humans and do same as you do. They do the stuff they have FUN todo. If working on an opensource project doesnt make fun, they dont do anything. No Dev is forced todo anything. As Melerix said, if you cannot wait till stuff is done, you always are free todo it yourself, if for your own usage or to contribute to the project.
I do contribute quite a bit.
But I'm sitting on quite a bit of things at the moment because I'm waiting for past things that have been submitted to be committed first. So it's a big hinderance to progress. And sadly, the larger a submission gets, the more reluctant any dev is to even test it, let alone commit it. Seems difficult enough to get the small fixes in.
nbd wrote:Yah, i know i dont seem to be the active one in implementing, fixing or whatever on L2J, still L2J is more then a bit code the public sees. Tools for the Dev Team, supporting in questions and design discussion's are even part of the work too.
That's something I've always had issue with. All the behind-closed-doors stuff that goes on outside of the community. We don't see it so we end up thinking "well, they're not doing anything at all, this sucks". And that's probably a big factor in why there are so many forks. Look at L2JOfficial, they've done some damn good work and it appears they've been maintaining a close grip with keeping to retail unlike some other forks. But that fork should never had to have come into existence since their goals are exactly the same as the core project's. Those people should have at least been brought on as jr devs on the main project. They probably felt as many have, that the project was taking too long to fix the trivial things, and that nothing was being done. So they left in hopes that they could actually make progress. Which they have, and the core project has taken many fixes from them. So it's not like they're L2Jfree and deviated in an extreme way.
And why does all the dev discussion have to be so secret? Why can't you guys just have a public area in these forums where only devs and jr. devs have posting rights? That way the community can see what's being discussed, what projects are being looked at and why they are stalled. Those working on large projects will be able to at least have a chance to see why their projects aren't being committed or whatnot even if none of the dev team directly posts in that author's thread about it.
If progress is slow, bring more people on. Especially DP side since that's where we're getting a LOT of new information from gracia final and groups are starting to catch up on older areas and fix them up. I've said it before and I'll say it here again, the community wants to help, we have information, we have code. But it's frustrating being in this community at times when you see contribs sit for weeks or even months without even a comment.
We have lives just like you do (maybe... lol). We do this in our free time, and not all of us have servers with 1,000's of players where we can make 5k a month from donations, so we work as well.
Really though, the community should be working to keep up with the dev team, not the other way around.
